I am also sorry that you had to deal with bigots who made it worse by treating you unjustly because you are male.
But the belief system underlying the idea of "rape culture" encourages such bigotry & makes MANY people feel it's acceptable or justified.
I do feel you are conflating violence with rape though. I've looked through domestic violence stats, best estimates show that it's pretty sex-neutral - that is men and women tend to be equally likely to be abusive
No, I'm not. I'm saying aggressively anti-male mindsets like those underlying "rape culture" and "privilege" lead to situations where violence against males is dismissed. I agree that the violence is mutual, what I said was, and what you can find if you look at studies over the last decade, women INITIATE the physical violence in a majority (better than 50%) of cases.
While females are less likely to commit sexual crimes, they also can be sexual abusers.
Yes. As you'll see further down I was molested by a step mother. There's some speculation that sexual ABUSE (vs molestation) is roughly equal between male & female relatives towards children, but it gets recognized or handled differently(if it's recognized at all) because when a female engages in it there's less likely to be penetration, direct oral-genital contact, etc. Female abusers are more likely to do things like threatening to cut a boy's genitals off, for instance, to the point of holding cutting implements to him & breaking skin, but that's FAR less likely to be reported or believed, and there's less evidence so it's harder to prove.
stats for male victims are depressingly high too, which is a serious problem. You simply do not seem to see what is actually being attacked by those talking about rape culture.
No. I DO see what's being attacked. My point is that the WAY it's being attacked makes it likely to FAIL. Moreover the assumptions underlying the concept are NOT egalitarian or gender neutral, they're aggressively anti-male, which's how you end up with a documented case of a woman admitting in court to raping an unconscious man & not only does she not get charged for the crime, he gets stuck with child support. That's a result of a system based around males being aggressors & females being victims.
I don't tend to see it used by people who are anti-male people who are trying to fight rape culture don't tend to be anti-male. They tend to be anti-non-consensual activities. They tend to be pro-respect.
The argument is inherently anti-male, it has its roots in contempt for men (I wasn't kidding, my mom was very active & I grew up around a lot of women who created much of the anti-male gender feminism in which these concepts are based). The problem is that, for those who've so whole-heartedly embraced it, it becomes difficult to see the ugliness beneath the surface. It's effectively the same as someone saying "I belong to an evangelical church and we're aggressively anti-abortion because we're all about God's love for all, even the unborn, but we don't support clinic bombings or killing doctors & we don't promote that nor does anyone we know." However, if you take a step back & look at those who FORMULATED their ideas, who write about & promote them, who lead their groups, they're RIFE with pro-violence sentiment & outright SUPPORT for it. You CANNOT support that culture & mindset in that structure without also supporting the violence, but many of those in it will blithely insist it's just not there-just as you're doing. No philosophy with the base mindset of "rape culture" as defined on the site Corpsefairy linked can legitimately lay claim to being pro-respect for ALL and pro, or even neutral towards males.
You keep seem to be making arguments So, it just makes it seem like you don't understand what people are talking about.
I understand exactly. The problem is that the WAY the concepts are presented will turn people away from the message, and "rape culture" goes beyond addressing real problems & in to demonizing men and creating an atmosphere where anti-male abuses are acceptable, FURTHER harming the goal of lifting women up, by breding anger & resentment against them.
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Re: Pt. 2 Re: "Rape culture" and the presumption of male guilt cont.
Date: 7/7/11 11:22 pm (UTC)From:But the belief system underlying the idea of "rape culture" encourages such bigotry & makes MANY people feel it's acceptable or justified.
I do feel you are conflating violence with rape though. I've looked through domestic violence stats, best estimates show that it's pretty sex-neutral - that is men and women tend to be equally likely to be abusive
No, I'm not. I'm saying aggressively anti-male mindsets like those underlying "rape culture" and "privilege" lead to situations where violence against males is dismissed. I agree that the violence is mutual, what I said was, and what you can find if you look at studies over the last decade, women INITIATE the physical violence in a majority (better than 50%) of cases.
While females are less likely to commit sexual crimes, they also can be sexual abusers.
Yes. As you'll see further down I was molested by a step mother. There's some speculation that sexual ABUSE (vs molestation) is roughly equal between male & female relatives towards children, but it gets recognized or handled differently(if it's recognized at all) because when a female engages in it there's less likely to be penetration, direct oral-genital contact, etc. Female abusers are more likely to do things like threatening to cut a boy's genitals off, for instance, to the point of holding cutting implements to him & breaking skin, but that's FAR less likely to be reported or believed, and there's less evidence so it's harder to prove.
stats for male victims are depressingly high too, which is a serious problem. You simply do not seem to see what is actually being attacked by those talking about rape culture.
No. I DO see what's being attacked. My point is that the WAY it's being attacked makes it likely to FAIL. Moreover the assumptions underlying the concept are NOT egalitarian or gender neutral, they're aggressively anti-male, which's how you end up with a documented case of a woman admitting in court to raping an unconscious man & not only does she not get charged for the crime, he gets stuck with child support. That's a result of a system based around males being aggressors & females being victims.
I don't tend to see it used by people who are anti-male people who are trying to fight rape culture don't tend to be anti-male. They tend to be anti-non-consensual activities. They tend to be pro-respect.
The argument is inherently anti-male, it has its roots in contempt for men (I wasn't kidding, my mom was very active & I grew up around a lot of women who created much of the anti-male gender feminism in which these concepts are based). The problem is that, for those who've so whole-heartedly embraced it, it becomes difficult to see the ugliness beneath the surface. It's effectively the same as someone saying "I belong to an evangelical church and we're aggressively anti-abortion because we're all about God's love for all, even the unborn, but we don't support clinic bombings or killing doctors & we don't promote that nor does anyone we know." However, if you take a step back & look at those who FORMULATED their ideas, who write about & promote them, who lead their groups, they're RIFE with pro-violence sentiment & outright SUPPORT for it. You CANNOT support that culture & mindset in that structure without also supporting the violence, but many of those in it will blithely insist it's just not there-just as you're doing. No philosophy with the base mindset of "rape culture" as defined on the site Corpsefairy linked can legitimately lay claim to being pro-respect for ALL and pro, or even neutral towards males.
You keep seem to be making arguments So, it just makes it seem like you don't understand what people are talking about.
I understand exactly. The problem is that the WAY the concepts are presented will turn people away from the message, and "rape culture" goes beyond addressing real problems & in to demonizing men and creating an atmosphere where anti-male abuses are acceptable, FURTHER harming the goal of lifting women up, by breding anger & resentment against them.