May. 9th, 2020

joreth: (frustration)
This was a Facebook post of my commentary on a link that I shared to some other FB post that someone made.  That post is now unavailable so I have no idea what the original post says that sparked my commentary.   But, fortunately in this case, my own commentary tends to be long enough and complete enough to be its own post.

I had an ex who has some unexamined assumptions about gender and he shied away from the discussion every time it came up.  This was one example.

He wore a kilt in someone's wedding once, and I don't remember if this was this exact same day or some other time, or even if it was two separate conversations, but he did remark once that it wasn't fair that women could wear dresses because of the comfort and "built in air conditioning".

So I shrugged and suggested that he just wear a dress.  I'll even go shopping with him to help him pick something out.  He immediately switched sides and blustered incoherently about why he couldn't wear a dress - not things like "I would get bullied" or "but I don't actually want to wear dresses I'm just remarking on the social double standard" (that last one being my own excuse - I actually don't like dresses and don't feel comfortable in them but I think people should be able to wear them if they want to) - but something something men don't wear dresses something.

I said that he could wear one around the house.  He could go to any of the places that *I* go where men wearing dresses was acceptable.  But no, he himself supported the very system that makes it difficult for men to wear dresses.

Another time, in a totally unrelated conversation, he remarked about disliking when gay men "advertise their politics", meaning that they moved in a "feminine" manner so that you could "tell" they were gay.  Like, they couldn't just be blokes who happened to like dick, they had to be *flamboyant*.  Somehow that was displaying their politics?

We had a very long conversation about that one, where I thought I had gotten through to him about how a person's mannerisms don't necessarily indicate their orientation, how merely existing isn't "advertising politics", and how masculinity was not a blank default but similarly "advertising one's politics" to the exact same degree.

Like, wearing a wedding band tells me as much about your monogamous sexual behaviour in private as my infinity-heart necklace, or you having a picture of your hetero spouse on the desk is "displaying your sexuality in public" to the same degree that having a picture of one's same-sex spouse does.

I don't particularly want to think of my coworkers having sex with their spouses, but telling me that they *have* a spouse comes with a bunch of implications including that they have PIV sex (and if you try to say that I shouldn't apply those assumptions to the statement, try telling a hetero man that him having a wife doesn't imply to you that he has sex and see how defensive he gets at the thought that you think he's celibate).

It's not just a blank slate, it comes with a bunch of assumptions that society just happens to think are appropriate assumptions to have.  This is why they make the same assumptions about people in different relationships.  When they meet a hetero married couple, they assume they have sex together.  So when they meet a gay couple, they similarly assume they have sex together, and because they're freaked out by gay sex, this assumptions bothers them, so suddenly the gay couple is "rubbing my nose in their private gay sex life".

So his heteromasculinity - his way of moving his body through space - is not "blank".  It is not devoid of his "politics", making someone who is more "flamboyant" deliberately displaying his own pro-gay-rights politics, or whatever.

The idea that whatever white straight cismen do is "blank" and "default" and anything other than what they do must therefore be some kind of "statement" pisses me right the fuck off.

I would constantly think that I got through to him on things like this, only to have other conversations like the dress one, where he'd seem to be supportive of breaking down gender roles by wishing men could wear skirts only to then support those roles when I suggested that he just go ahead and do it.

Unexamined privilege and unexamined biases.  Your statements about what other people do usually reflect more about you than about the other people.
joreth: (Default)
Him:  I trust that you won't hurt me, and I don't trust easily.

Me:  I will probably hurt you.  But I won't do it maliciously.  That's what happens when you allow yourself to be vulnerable with another person.

[later]

Him:  Are we making a mistake?

Me:  Probably.  But it's a mistake neither of us have made yet, so we'll be fucking up but in new and novel ways!

[later]

Him:  Is this going to work out?

Me:  [pause] I hope so.  But it might not be in the ways we're expecting it.

Him:  I guess that's how it's going to be with you, isn't it?  You're always going to tell me the truth, not just what I want to hear?

Me:  Yep!

Him:  You're very unsettling, you know that?

Me:  Yep!

Him:  Could you try not to look so pleased with yourself when you say that?

Me:  That *was* me trying.

#ActualConversationsIHave #IWillTryToBeKindButIWillAlwaysBeHonest #BadIdeas

The real irony here is that he ended up ghosting me shortly after these conversations because he was afraid that I *might* someday hurt him, so he did to me what he was afraid I would do to him.
joreth: (sex)
In response to a question of how to have a threesome ethically and without unicorn hunting (because UHing is always unethical, but not all unethical behaviour is UHing):

Here's how I have threesomes -

Me:  Hey, I think you're pretty hot and I'd like to have sex with you.

Me:  Oh hey, you're pretty hot too and I'd like to have sex with you also.

Him 1:  I think you're pretty hot too and I'd like to have sex with you.

Him 2:  Yeah, ditto.

Him 1:  BTW, I like group sex.

Me:  No way! Me too!

Him 2:  So do I!

Him 1:  I like your other partner enough to have group sex where he's included.

Him 2:  I like your other partner enough to have group sex where he's included.

Me:  Well, that's convenient, since I like the both of you.  So if we're all interested in group sex together, I'd like to have group sex sometime.

Him 1:  [while spending time with me and Him 2 socially, starts kissing me]

Him 2:  [while Him 1 is kissing me, comes up behind me to kiss my neck]

Step 2:  ...

Step 3:  Group sex happens.



Here's NOT how I have threesomes:

Me:  Honey, I have a fantasy of a threesome, but I also have unexamined insecurities about our relationship and assumptions of possession regarding your body and also feelings of entitlement to your autonomy.

Them:  Oh, that's convenient, because I have a deep fear of being alone and societal programming that requires me to submit to your fantasies and to subsume my identity into our relationship.  Plus, I'm interested in sex with my own gender and this may be the only way I can explore that while simultaneously keeping the relationship I'm terrified of losing and also all the privileges that come with having a socially acceptable hetero relationship.

Me:  Great!  Let's create a list of traits that we want in the person we are hiring to fulfill both of our fantasies, only we won't pay her of course because sex work is gross.  Her needs aren't really that important, since the goal here is to fulfill our fantasies while keeping our relationship intact.  So, starting tomorrow, after we've come up with our list of qualifications, we'll start interviewing someone to have sex with us.
joreth: (sex)
Them:  So, how did you two meet?

Me & Friend: ...

Me:  [blank look]

Friend:  [blank look]

Me:  I'm not sure, it was a really long time ago. Like, what, 13 or 14 years ago?

Friend:  Was it at Necro?

Me:  Probably. If it was at Necro, since we met through that particular mutual friend, then we probably met at an orgy.

Friend:  That sounds about right.

Me:  Oh, I bet it was that one orgy with [these people] and [this thing was happening]!

Friend:  Yep! It was at that orgy!

Me:  Hard to tell, all the orgies kinda blended together over the years.

My Dancer Friends:  0.0

My Non-Dancer, Very Vanilla Friend:  I think I'm in over my head here. How many people get to casually mention that they met at an orgy?

Me:  Well, in our circle of friends...

Non-Dancer:  Never mind.

#ISometimesForgetTheRestOfTheWorldDoesNotDoTheThingsIDo #SoManyOrgiesTheyAllBlendTogether #ThisIsActuallyMyLife #AndYetIDoNotHaveSexNearlyAsOftenAsPeopleThink #PolyamoryOftenMeansMoreEmotionalProcessingThanSex

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